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5 | YSH FAQ
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6 | =======
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7 |
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8 | Here are some common questions about [YSH]($xref). Many of the answers boil
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9 | down to the fact that YSH is a **smooth upgrade** from [bash]($xref).
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11 | Old and new constructs exist side-by-side. New constructs have fewer
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12 | "gotchas".
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14 | <!-- cmark.py expands this -->
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15 | <div id="toc">
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16 | </div>
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17 |
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18 | ## Can I freely mix OSH and YSH code?
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19 |
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20 | *If YSH is equivalent to OSH with `shopt --set ysh:all`, it seems like this
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21 | could be possible?*
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22 |
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23 | Currently we recommend only combining OSH and YSH when they're in **different
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24 | processes**.
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25 |
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26 | While you may be able to source OSH from YSH like this:
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28 | ```
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29 | shopt --unset ysh:all {
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30 | source lib.osh
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31 | }
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32 | ```
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33 |
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34 | and perhaps source YSH from OSH like this:
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35 |
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36 | ```
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37 | shopt --set ysh:all
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38 | source lib.ysh
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39 | ```
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40 |
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41 | ... actually calling shell functions and procs is **a problem**. This is
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42 | because the `shopt` options are **global**, and you can end up with "mixed
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43 | stacks".
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44 |
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45 | For example, consider a call stack that looks like :
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46 |
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47 | ```
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48 | OSH -> YSH -> OSH -> YSH
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49 | ```
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50 |
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51 | Reasoning about code mixed this way is difficult.
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52 |
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53 | Instead, you may want limited mixing, where you "shell out" to OSH from YSH, or
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54 | vice versa. This is similar to shelling out to `awk` from `sh`, for example.
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55 |
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56 | (The [$0 Dispatch Pattern]($xref:0-dispatch) may be useful.)
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57 |
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58 | ## What's the difference `myvar`, `$myvar`, and `"$myvar"` ?
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59 |
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60 | YSH is more like Python/JavaScript rather than PHP/Perl, so it doesn't use the
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61 | `$` sigil as much.
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62 |
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63 | Never use `$` on the left-hand side:
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64 |
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65 | var mystr = "foo" # not var $mystr
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66 |
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67 | Use `$` to **substitute** vars into commands:
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68 |
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69 | echo $mystr
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70 | echo $mystr/subdir # no quotes in commands
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71 |
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72 | or quoted strings:
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73 |
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74 | echo "$mystr/subdir"
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75 | var x = "$mystr/subdir"
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76 |
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77 | Rarely use `$` on the right-hand side:
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78 |
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79 | var x = mystr # preferred
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80 | var x = $mystr # ILLEGAL -- use remove $
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81 | var x = ${mystr:-} # occasionally useful
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82 |
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83 | var x = $? # allowed
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84 |
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85 | See [Command vs. Expression Mode](command-vs-expression-mode.html) for more
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86 | details.
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87 |
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88 | ## How do I write `~/src` or `~bob/git` in a YSH assignment?
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89 |
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90 | This should cover 80% of cases:
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91 |
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92 | var path = "$HOME/src" # equivalent to ~/src
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93 |
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94 | The old shell style will cover the remaining cases:
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95 |
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96 | declare path=~/src
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97 | readonly other=~bob/git
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98 |
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99 | ---
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100 |
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101 | This is only in issue in *expressions*. The traditional shell idioms work in
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102 | *command* mode:
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103 |
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104 | echo ~/src ~bob/git
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105 | # => /home/alice/src /home/bob/git
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106 |
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107 | The underlying design issue is that the YSH expression `~bob` looks like a
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108 | unary operator and a variable, not some kind of string substitution.
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109 |
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110 | Also, quoted `"~"` is a literal tilde, and shells disagree on what `~""` means.
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111 | The rules are subtle, so we avoid inventing new ones.
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112 |
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113 | <!--
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114 | TODO: I want the ${ ~/src } syntax though it's complicated by ksh command sub
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115 | -->
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116 |
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117 | ## How do I write the equivalent of `echo -e` or `echo -n`?
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118 |
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119 | To echo special characters denoted by backslash escapes, use a
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120 | statically-parsed string literal, not `echo -e`:
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121 |
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122 | echo u'tab \t newline \n' # YES: J8 style string is recommended in YSH
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123 | echo $'tab \t newline \n' # bash-style string is also accepted
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124 |
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125 | These styles don't work in YSH:
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126 |
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127 | echo -e "tab \\t newline \\n" # NO: -e is printed literally
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128 | echo -e "tab \t newline \n" # Error: Invalid char escape
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129 |
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130 | To omit the trailing newline, use the `write` builtin:
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131 |
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132 | write -n -- $prefix # YES
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133 | write --end '' -- $prefix # synonym
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134 |
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135 | echo -n $prefix # NO: -n is printed literally
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136 |
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137 | ### Why Were `-e` and `-n` Removed?
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138 |
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139 | The idioms with `u''` and `write` are more powerful and consistent.
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140 |
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141 | Moreover, shell's `echo` is the *only* builtin that doesn't accept `--` to stop
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142 | flag processing.
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143 |
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144 | That is, `echo "$flag"` always has a few bugs: when `$flag` is `-e`, `-n`,
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145 | `-en`, or `-ne`. There's **no** way to fix this bug in POSIX shell.
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146 |
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147 | So portable shell scripts use:
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148 |
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149 | printf '%s\n' "$x" # print $x "unmolested" in POSIX shell
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150 |
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151 | We could have chosen to respect `echo -- $x`, but YSH already has:
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152 |
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153 | write -- $x # print $x "unmolested" in YSH
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154 |
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155 | That means YSH has:
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156 |
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157 | echo $x # an even shorter way
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158 |
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159 | So `echo` is technically superfluous in YSH, but it's also short, familiar, and
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160 | correct.
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161 |
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162 | YSH isn't intended to be compatible with POSIX shell; only OSH is.
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163 |
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164 | ### How do I write a string literal with both `$myvar` and `\n`?
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165 |
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166 | In YSH, either use `$[ \n ]` inside a double-quoted string:
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167 |
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168 | $ echo "$myvar $[ \n ] two" # expression sub wraps \n
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169 | value_of_myvar
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170 | two
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171 |
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172 | Or use the concatenation operator `++` with two styles of string literal:
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173 |
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174 | echo $[u'newline \n' ++ " $year/$month/$day"]
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175 |
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176 | This POSIX shell behavior is probably not what you want:
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177 |
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178 | $ echo "\n"
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179 | \n # not a newline!
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180 |
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181 | ### How do I find all the `echo` invocations I need to change when using YSH?
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182 |
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183 | A search like this can statically find most usages:
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185 | $ egrep -n 'echo (-e|-n|-en|-ne)' *.sh
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186 | test/syscall.sh:58: echo -n hi
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187 | test/syscall.sh:76: echo -e '\t'
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188 |
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189 | ## What's the difference between `$(dirname $x)` and `$[len(x)]` ?
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190 |
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191 | Superficially, both of these syntaxes take an argument `x` and return a
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192 | string. But they are different:
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193 |
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194 | - `$(dirname $x)` is a shell command substitution that returns a string, and
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195 | **starts another process**.
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196 | - `$[len(x)]` is an expression sub containing a function call expression.
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197 | - It doesn't need to start a process.
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198 | - Note that `len(x)` evaluates to an integer, and `$[len(x)]` converts it to
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199 | a string.
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200 |
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201 | <!--
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202 | (Note: builtin subs like `${.myproc $x}` are meant to eliminate process
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203 | overhead, but they're not yet implemented.)
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204 | -->
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205 |
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206 | ## Why doesn't a raw string work here: `${array[r'\']}` ?
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207 |
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208 | This boils down to the difference between OSH and YSH, and not being able to
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209 | mix the two. Though they look similar, `${array[i]}` syntax (with braces) is
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210 | fundamentally different than `$[array[i]]` syntax (with brackets).
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211 |
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212 | - OSH supports `${array[i]}`.
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213 | - The index is legacy/deprecated shell arithmetic like `${array[i++]}` or
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214 | `${assoc["$key"]}`.
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215 | - The index **cannot** be a raw string like `r'\'`.
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216 | - YSH supports both, but [expression substitution][expr-sub] syntax
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217 | `$[array[i]]` is preferred.
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218 | - It accepts YSH expressions like `$[array[i + 1]` or `$[mydict[key]]`.
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219 | - A raw string like `r'\'` is a valid key, e.g. `$[mydict[r'\']]`.
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220 |
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221 | [expr-sub]: ref/chap-expr-lang.html#expr-sub
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222 |
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223 | Of course, YSH style is preferred when compatibility isn't an issue.
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224 |
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225 | No:
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226 |
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227 | echo ${array[r'\']}
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228 |
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229 | Yes:
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230 |
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231 | echo $[array[r'\']]
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232 |
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233 | A similar issue exists with arithmetic.
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234 |
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235 | Old:
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236 |
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237 | echo $((1 + 2)) # shell arithmetic
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238 |
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239 | New:
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240 |
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241 | echo $[1 + 2] # YSH expression
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242 |
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243 | <!--
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244 |
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245 | ## Why doesn't the ternary operator work here: `${array[0 if cond else 5]}`?
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246 |
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247 | The issue is the same as above. YSH expression are allowed within `$[]` but
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248 | not `${}`.
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249 |
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250 | -->
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251 |
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252 | ## How do I combine conditional commands and expressions: `if (myvar)` and `if test -f`?
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253 |
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254 | You can use the `--true` and `--false` flags to the [YSH test][ysh-test]
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255 | builtin:
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256 |
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257 | if test --true $[myvar] && test --file x {
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258 | echo ok
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259 | }
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260 |
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261 | They test if their argument is literally the string `"true"` or `"false"`.
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262 |
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263 | This works because the boolean `true` *stringifies* to `"true"`, and likewise
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264 | with `false`.
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265 |
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266 | [ysh-test]: ref/chap-builtin-cmd.html#ysh-test
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267 |
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268 |
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269 | ## Why do I lose the value of `p` in `myproc (&p) | grep foo`?
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270 |
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271 | In a pipeline, most components are **forked**. This means that `myproc (&p)`
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272 | runs in a different process from the main shell.
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273 |
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274 | The main shell can't see the memory of a subshell.
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275 |
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276 | ---
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277 |
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278 | In general, you have to restructure your code to avoid this. You could use a proc with multiple outputs:
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279 |
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280 | myproc (&p, &grepped_output)
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281 |
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282 | Or you could use a function:
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283 |
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284 | var out1, out2 = myfunc(io)
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285 |
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286 | ---
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287 |
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288 | [The Unix Shell Process Model - When Are Processes
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289 | Created?](process-model.html) may help.
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290 |
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291 | This issue is similar to the `shopt -s lastpipe` issue:
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292 |
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293 | $ bash -c 'echo hi | read x; echo x=$x'
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294 | x=
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295 |
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296 | $ zsh -c 'echo hi | read x; echo x=$x'
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297 | x=hi
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298 |
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299 | In bash, `read` runs in a subshell, but in `zsh` and OSH, it runs in the main
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300 | shell.
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301 |
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302 | ## Why are `Dict` and `Obj` different types?
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303 |
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304 | *JavaScript has a single Object type, while Python has separate dicts and
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305 | objects.*
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306 |
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307 | In YSH, we draw a line between data and code.
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308 |
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309 | - A `Dict` is pure **data**, and may correspond to JSON from untrusted sources.
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310 | - An `Obj` bundles both data and **code**, and can't be serialized by default.
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311 |
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312 | You can create an `Obj` from a `Dict` with the `Obj` constructor. Conversely,
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313 | you can get the first Dict in an object with [first(myobj)][first].
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314 |
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315 | There is no special `__proto__` or `prototype` name, which reduces the
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316 | likelihood of "prototype pollution" vulnerabilities.
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317 |
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318 | ---
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319 |
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320 | This is essentially the [Interior vs. Exterior][interior-exterior] distinction:
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321 | An Obj lives inside the shell process, while a Dict may come from outside the
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322 | process (user input).
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324 | [first]: ref/chap-builtin-func.html#first
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325 | [interior-exterior]: https://www.oilshell.org/blog/2023/06/ysh-design.html
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326 |
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327 | ## Why are `Command` and `Proc` different types?
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328 |
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329 | *Could a `Command` be a `Proc` with no arguments? Similarly, could an `Expr` be a
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330 | `Func` with no arguments?*
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331 |
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332 | Procs and Funcs both push a new stack frame, and bind arguments to declared
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333 | parameters.
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334 |
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335 | On the other hand, `Command` and `Expr` are more "raw" and flexible:
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336 |
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337 | - They can be evaluated in different stack frames —
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338 | e.g. `io->eval(b, in_captured_frame)`
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339 | - They can have "undeclared" variable bindings —
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340 | e.g. `io->eval(b, vars={x: 42})`.
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341 |
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342 | In other words, they're low-level, reflective types that allow users to create
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343 | expressive APIs, like:
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344 |
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345 | cd /tmp { # Command literal (block)
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346 | ls -l
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347 | }
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348 | my-table | where [size > 3] # Expr literal
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349 |
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350 | ---
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351 |
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352 | Another way to think about it: we could have removed procs from the core YSH
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353 | language, and implemented them in terms of command blocks and `io->eval()`.
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354 | But that seems too low-level!
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355 |
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356 | ## Related
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357 |
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358 | - [YSH FAQ]($wiki) on the wiki has more answers. We may be migrate some of
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359 | them here.
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360 |
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